Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hi,

it’s a long time since the last release of Joo!BB. Some people think that this project is dead. No, it isn’t. There are some fundamental changes in the system only, taking time for realization. A new component called Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM) will be released on 08. Feb. 2009. Two weeks later, on 22. Feb. 2009 a new release of Joo!BB can be expected, based on Joo!CM.

Key-Features of Joo!CM

- Fundamental Community Management
- Generic Interface to other Joomla Components (e.g. Joo!BB)
- Full Joomla! 1.5 integration

The main goal is to develop a basic tool with the ability to unite Joomla Components. The idea behind this is, that every community differs to an other. On this way the administrator is able to build a suitable community.

Robbie

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Thank you Robbie to update us on your activities and the new component.
I'm looking forward for the release and of course waiting to test it.

Hennepdesk

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Robbie,

So I gather that this would replace let's say "Community Builder" correct? That alone will take me some time to digest as other apps such as Uddeim interface with Community Builder also, so an uninstall has side effects.

Also as to your update of Joo!bb in later Feburary. How drastically different will the database be from current? If major changes, could I get a look at that eventually to write database only update code? You mentioned that you would support updates beyond this, so I'm not asking you to do this one, but for my purposes and I would share it with others AT THEIR OWN RISK, I would like to prepare.

Thanks for all of your diligent efforts!
Jeff

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hi Jeff,

I will answer your questions later... I'm still at work at the moment.

Kind regards,
Robbie

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hi Robbie,

Thank you for your announcement.
I never thought Joo!BB is „dead“ and trustfully waited for the stable release of your board. I can’t tell often enough how much I appreciate your work. Over the year of development you have mentioned, I truly became a fan of Joo!BB, certainly hoping and planning to integrate Joo!BB on my website as soon as possible. So I read your announcement with big interest and sense you are planning to extent your component adding new features for community building.

When I saw your announcement, I thought „Wow“ – this new approach is very interesting. However, I also had some bittersweet feelings and hope Joo!BB is not following the same path some other Joomla projects I know have gone. All is beginning with a great idea and encouraging work, just like you do on Joo!BB. Over time, these project are growing more and more and instead of a stable release and an extendable concept, which is ready to be used in its current state but open for future add-ons, the feature lists are getting longer and longer and the final release schedule is pushing out more and more. These projects never get completed, the development is slowing down and in some cases, like the fireboard implementation for J 1.5, people really have the feeling it’s dead.

I am far away to criticize and I am committed to Joo!BB, but after thinking about the new project roadmap, I was wondering why you want to spend time, energy and efforts to invent the wheel again instead of making Joo!BB complete and stable but compatible to CB, which is already widely used, tested and accepted by the community. Since many components are already linking to CB, for instance uddeIM and others, I was hoping Joo!BB also will support this compatibility on future releases – at least fort the Avatar function, login and/or profiling. Always looking around, I just tested the newly released ccBoard, which is far behind Joo!BB on the development state, but already including basic CB functions. So why not getting in touch with the CB guys and taking advantage for Joo!BB of what they already have completed?

Now you are planning to do a much bigger step and developing a complete new community platform. I sense your excitement and I understand this challenge is very motivating from the development point of view. I just hope the new component and concept will be successful and cross my fingers for you.

Since you had announced two weeks ago, a stable and updateable Joo!BB release will be actually ready somewhen now, let me ask if this is still the plan of record.

Friendly greetings,
Thomas

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

I don't know, if Joo!CM will replace CB. I think it will not! Because of one main reason. Joo!CM is a component with a basic functionality. The goal is to develop a system, which is able to unite ALL sosial components , including CB and UddeIm. Of course, there are some features included like profile and avatar management which have been moved from Joo!BB to Joo!CM. But it is for those people who don’t need powerfull Tools like CB!

Joo!CM will be not developed by myself only in the future. I hope to invite the guys of CB, UddeIm, IdoBlog and other social software components. Furhter I hope, I can find some gays who will manage the website of Joo!CM.

@Jeff
Some tables will be droped in Joo!BB, but they will be added in Joo!CM. Yes, of course. I will commit everything to SVN as soon as possible.

@Thomas
08. Feb. 2009 Joo!CM
22. Feb. 2009 Joo!BB


No guys, I have to thank you!

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Type mismatch.

Gays isn't ment I hope. I think it should be guys.

Translated:

Homosexuell
مثليون جنسيا
同性恋

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Oooops! I'm sorry!

Edited and corrected! Thinking German and writing English is not good.

Thx Hennepdesk!

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

lol Robbie has called me gay 2 times so far I think, but I knew what he was trying to say.

Anyway, this is good news. Am I right in thinking this will be a regular open source project then?

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Also, to save time I can make a new webiste for this new project if you would like. It will save you time doing it yourself. let me know.

Chris

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Chris,

Good to see you around again! Was missing your smiling face, or at least your boys on your avatar.

Jeff

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

hi chris,



oh my god. from now on I will call you "boys".

yes, of course! it would be great! but before you start to work, support will be available on joobb.org for the thirst time.

yes, when I can find some real good developers, than Joo!CM will become Open Source. Otherwise Freeware, as Joo!BB.

kind regards,
robbie

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Quote by Unknown:Chris,

Good to see you around again! Was missing your smiling face, or at least your boys on your avatar.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff


Robbie,

Will you have to separate websites for JooBB and JooCM ?

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hi team,

I still feel a bit lost and hope somebody can help to move me on the back of the horse.
I was searching and waiting so long for a native board and Joo!BB really was offering all I wanted.
But I was looking for a board that works lean and fine, not another community builder module.
So does Joo!BB still work as a stand alone board I can integrate to my CMS and will it at least offer some CB integration, like Avatar usage, or is it only working with the newly announced community bridge?
Just want to make sure I understood the coming change and see were you guys want to be tomorrow, so I can make a desicion, if this is what I need and wait for. Not sure if I understood the new concept as a whole.

Greetings,
Thomas

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

@Chris

yes, there will be two separate sites.


@Thomas

I'm very sorry to disappoint you. Yes, there is a need to install Joo!CM to be able to run Joo!BB. There are some reasons for my decision. I was criticized because of too many functions in Joo!BB. For example: separated login, profile manager, time zones etc. Many people thinks, Joo!BB will become a standalone forum.

I made one big mistake as I tryed to satisfy everybody. I lost my straight way to my goal: "A working and usefull board"

Yes, there is one big disadvantage. You will need to install Joo!CM and Joo!BB. But please let me to tell you something about the benefits... (fu.., I made some graphics I wanted to publish because pictures says more than 1000 words, I cannot find them and I hope I didn't delete them)

Joo!CM contains some function also given in CB (Avatar and Extended Profile Management). But you don't need to use them. My goal is to unite social components like CB, Joo!BB, UddeIm, IdoBlog and others with Joo!CM.

If you wish, you can imagine the concept as installing Joo!CM as your base and than make decision to have an extended profile managing(CB), a forum sofware(Joo!BB, ccBoard, Agora), a messaging system(UddeIm, JAM) or a blog software(IdoBlog).

I will try to explain my vision on the example of an avatar. Joo!BB says to Joo!CM "Come on, I want the avatar of user xyz..., pronto!". Joo!BB doesn't care, where the avatar comes from. It can be a CB, Joo!CM itselfs or whatever the avatar comes from. Joo!BB asks for it and Joo!CM delivers it.

I know it is a vision, but why this could not become reality?

Of course, the capacity I have is limited, but for this project I would like to invite other developers and designers, once the first version is released. And I really hope I to get especially the "guys" from CB, UddeIm, IdoBlog, other boards ( boom = joke) and the other components. So we can all together realize a good working component for YOU!

The first impressions you will get next time on this page. Than you can still make your decision.

Kind regards,
Robbie

PS: I would release a new version every day when I won the last german lotto.

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Having read your idea for JooBB and JooCM projects I am a little confused why you would want to seperate the two, it would surely make much more sense for the two projects to have the same website. JooBB would become a JooCM extension if I understand correctly.

In regards to discussing with other forum developers, the person who has created ccBoard seems to be a decent person, who I believe would be interested in the concept.

However I wouldnt bother wasting your time with some of the Agora team.

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hello Robbie,

I understand you wanna add a management layer over JooBB! to manage connections to other components. Sounds logical to me. Wich components are you thinking about? (CB and UddeIM is super) Does this make JooBB faster loading and displaying the board? Will the PM function then be intergrated in the forum? Go to the CB profile when CB is used to manage users?

As Chris mention about CCboard this looks very well to and the team is very active. About Agora ... let it be. Its all front end shit and to complex.

Looking forward for your new release,

Hennepdesk

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Quote by Unknown:@Thomas
I'm very sorry to disappoint you. Yes, there is a need to install Joo!CM to be able to run Joo!BB. There are some reasons for my decision. I was criticized because of too many functions in Joo!BB. For example: separated login, profile manager, time zones etc. Many people thinks, Joo!BB will become a standalone forum.

Hi Robbie,

Thank you for your reply. No, I am not disappointed but was just a bit confused about this change. I really thought to be ready to use your board on my site soon and my users are waiting badly for it. Joo!BB ist still my preferred solution. I took the last couple of days to re-structure my website to be ready for your project when available. While I did have some major issues with CB recently, to run updates due to the multiple conenctions and plug-ins this component has, I made up my mind to de-install it and to wait for your solution. Since Joo!Bb ist the best board available and I waited so long to run it, I am anxious to utilize your new community component and Joo!BB as soon as you have released it.

Greetings,
Thomas

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

WOW!! - It looks great!
When can we download it??!!!
Many Thanks Robbie

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

It looks super Robbie

Where do I agree your therms? Now users have to make a second registration?

Thanks and can't wait to download it

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hi,

Many many thanks! It's nice to read you like it. It looks much better, when you are using a good joomla template (I don't, not yet).

Olaf and me are working hard on it. But there are still some little bugs which are very annoying. It is not the end of the day, but it could be possible that the release will be moved 3-4 days.

You can agree to the terms by clicking on "Terms" and than the Button "Agree".
No, not every user must agree to the terms again. I just forgot to set up a field in the database. Sorry.

Kind regards,
Robbie

Controll access level on Joo!CM Interfaces

How do I controll access level on Joo!CM interfaces? If I have a component only for registred users how do I controll it so guests dont' see it? Now everything is public....

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Quote by Unknown:How do I controll access level on Joo!CM interfaces? If I have a component only for registred users how do I control it so guests dont' see it? Now everything is public....

I am also wondering this? Any solution? Is there any way to not use the Community Manager with JooBB? Here is my issue. I use a compnent called Nbill. Itr has it's own profile screen. It will confuse my members if they are in the forum and click on update profile and it takes them to the CM profile. IS there any way to just use the forum without using CM. like in version 0.77? I love this board, but being forced to use the CM is making it hard for me to integrate.

Thanks

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hi Dan, ceekay,

Quote by Unknown:How do I controll access level on Joo!CM interfaces? If I have a component only for registred users how do I control it so guests dont' see it? Now everything is public....
I simply forgot to implement the field to be managed in Interface Manager. I corrected this and it will be available in 0.9.1.

Sorry, you will need to install Joo!CM. The idea behind this is very simply. For the first there is an Interface Manager managing the frontsite in backend and frontend. There is no need to use the profile management coming up with Joo!CM. All you need to do is to create an interface to Nbill. Further theres is a link table (#__joocm_links) where links can be managed (I will implement a manager for the backend next time!). You can set up a link to Nbill and Joo!BB will use exactally this link. Of course you can link to CB or whatever profiling system.

Kind regards,
Robbie

Re: Joomla! Community Manager (Joo!CM)

Hi Dan,

Quote by Unknown:I am also wondering this? Any solution? Is there any way to not use the Community Manager with JooBB? Here is my issue. I use a compnent called Nbill. Itr has it's own profile screen. It will confuse my members if they are in the forum and click on update profile and it takes them to the CM profile. IS there any way to just use the forum without using CM. like in version 0.77? I love this board, but being forced to use the CM is making it hard for me to integrate.

No, you are absolutely not forced to use the profiling system of Joo!CM (It's not a Microsoft product)

All you need to do, is to change the links and the interface to the profile management system of your choice. The interface management is already implemented in 0.9.0. The link management will be implemented in 0.9.1.

You can imagine, that Joo!CM acts like a shell over components. The admin can set up his requirements in Joo!CM. What Joo!BB does, is only to get the requirements from Joo!CM. E.g. Joo!BB needs to display an avatar. But which one? This from CB, CBE or Joo!CM itselfs? So Joo!BB asks Joo!CM: "Hey boy, come on, please deliver me the avatar for user xyz...". And Joo!CM delivers the right one to Joo!BB. That's all the magic.

Kind regards,
Robbie